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    <description><![CDATA[Discussions about roundtrip engineering (BPEL, XPDL, BizTalk, ...)]]></description>
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    <pubDate>Tue, 10 Apr 2012 17:31:10 +0200</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Roundtrip to XPDL</title>
      <link>http://www.itp-commerce.com/services/forum/read.php?7,705,706#msg-706</link>
      <author>Support/Info</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Process Modeler supports XPDL roundtripping for BPMN 1.2 only. Since BPMN 2.0 itself is serializable, there will probably be no support for XPDL/BPMN 2.0 roundtrips in the future either, as it is not really needed.

If you need to export in XPDL 2.0, we highly recommend to create your diagrams using BPMN 1.2. Note that the XPDL 2.0 specification does not cover all BPMN 1.2 elements.]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Tue, 10 Apr 2012 17:31:10 +0200</pubDate>
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      <title>Roundtrip to XPDL</title>
      <link>http://www.itp-commerce.com/services/forum/read.php?7,705,705#msg-705</link>
      <author>john.deitz@jda.com</author>
      <description><![CDATA[It appears that the process modeler should support &quot;roudtrip&quot; to XPDL.  I am diagramming in BPMN 2.0 and need to export to XPDL 2.0 (which I understand is aligned with BPMN 1.x). 
Is it possible to export to a BPMN 2.0 diagram to XPDL 2.0 format?

Thanks!]]></description>
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      <guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.itp-commerce.com/services/forum/read.php?7,705,705#msg-705</guid>
      <pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2012 20:06:43 +0200</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Do Not See XLANG/BizTalk in Export to Format Drop-list</title>
      <link>http://www.itp-commerce.com/services/forum/read.php?7,552,600#msg-600</link>
      <author>Support/Info</author>
      <description><![CDATA[You need to have installed Professional Edition including BizTalk extension.
Please ask for an evaluation key.
Best]]></description>
      <category>Roundtrip</category>
      <guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.itp-commerce.com/services/forum/read.php?7,552,600#msg-600</guid>
      <pubDate>Fri, 20 Aug 2010 13:05:43 +0200</pubDate>
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      <title>Do Not See XLANG/BizTalk in Export to Format Drop-list</title>
      <link>http://www.itp-commerce.com/services/forum/read.php?7,552,552#msg-552</link>
      <author>akhtar_hossain</author>
      <description><![CDATA[I have downloaded evaluation version of Process Modeler 5.0 for Visio (Business Edition). I did a quick test process model. I am trying to export the model to BizTalk Orchestration odx file.

In the Export dialogbox in the Export To Format drop-list I do not see XLANG / BizTalk listed. The only selection in the drop-list is HTML and Simple XML.

What am I doing wrong]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 19:26:49 +0100</pubDate>
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      <title>Not able to Export Model to BizTalk</title>
      <link>http://www.itp-commerce.com/services/forum/read.php?7,386,551#msg-551</link>
      <author>akhtar_hossain</author>
      <description><![CDATA[I have downloaded evaluation version of Process Modeler 5.0 for Visio (Business Edition). I did a quick test process model. I am trying to export the model to BizTalk Orchestration odx file.

In teh Export dialogbox in teh Export To format drop-list I do not see XLANG / BizTalk listed. The only selection in the drop-list is HTML and Simple XML.

What am I doing wrong]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 19:24:05 +0100</pubDate>
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      <title>Export DataObject Properties to XPDL</title>
      <link>http://www.itp-commerce.com/services/forum/read.php?7,526,526#msg-526</link>
      <author>GOAN</author>
      <description><![CDATA[hello.

I am working on my degree dissertation (it is about modeling and exporting business processes) and therefore i am evaluating some Modeler. The Process Modeler looks quite good so far, but for some reasons I cannot export DataObject Properties which I have defined in BPMN Attribute section. Can anyone tell me the reason why?

thx a lot.
Andreas]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 18:36:46 +0100</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: WS-BPEL 2.0 roundtrip</title>
      <link>http://www.itp-commerce.com/services/forum/read.php?7,429,504#msg-504</link>
      <author>WALIA</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Any ideas when BPEL 2.0 is going to be supported?]]></description>
      <category>Roundtrip</category>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 08:13:23 +0100</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: WS-BPEL 2.0 roundtrip</title>
      <link>http://www.itp-commerce.com/services/forum/read.php?7,429,465#msg-465</link>
      <author>Support/Info</author>
      <description><![CDATA[BPEL 2.0 will be supported in SR2, which will be released in the fourth quarter of 2008.

Regards,
itp commerce support]]></description>
      <category>Roundtrip</category>
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      <pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 10:38:40 +0200</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: WS-BPEL 2.0 roundtrip</title>
      <link>http://www.itp-commerce.com/services/forum/read.php?7,429,464#msg-464</link>
      <author>jballas</author>
      <description><![CDATA[I didn't see an answer to this post.  Are there plans to support WS-BPEL 2.0?
Thanks,

Jimharry.moyer@redwahoo.com Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
&gt; Does (or will) Process Modeler support BPMN to
&gt; WS-BPEL 2.0 roundtriping. If &quot;will&quot;, can you
&gt; provide an indicative time frame?
&gt; 
&gt; Thanks in advance for your support.]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 20:38:28 +0200</pubDate>
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      <title>WS-BPEL 2.0 roundtrip</title>
      <link>http://www.itp-commerce.com/services/forum/read.php?7,429,429#msg-429</link>
      <author>harry.moyer@redwahoo.com</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Does (or will) Process Modeler support BPMN to WS-BPEL 2.0 roundtriping. If &quot;will&quot;, can you provide an indicative time frame?

Thanks in advance for your support.]]></description>
      <category>Roundtrip</category>
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      <pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 06:24:59 +0100</pubDate>
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      <title>Cannot export BPMN process to BPEL</title>
      <link>http://www.itp-commerce.com/services/forum/read.php?7,386,386#msg-386</link>
      <author>pluzar</author>
      <description><![CDATA[When I try to export a BPMN process that I have developed I get an error telling me that &quot;There is nothing to export&quot;, and the only file that is created in the export directory is bpel.xml, which is useless.

I have attached the process and its corresponding WSDL file so that people can try this out on their own machines if they want. I am using Process Modeler 5 with Visio   2003.

I have attempted to find some online or shipped documentation with a step-by-step tutorial that may help shed some light on the process of defining and exporting a BPMN process to BPEL, but nothing of this sort is available. In general I have found the documentation for ITP Process Modeler to be greatly inferior to the competition products. Can someone please tell me if there is some great source of documentation that I may be missing.

Regards,
Primoz]]></description>
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      <guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.itp-commerce.com/services/forum/read.php?7,386,386#msg-386</guid>
      <pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2007 02:45:27 +0200</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Biztalk Rountripping</title>
      <link>http://www.itp-commerce.com/services/forum/read.php?7,319,326#msg-326</link>
      <author>stutz</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Do you do a real roundtrip? 
-&gt; Export from Process Modeler into BizTalk and importing the same process (odx) back to the original BPMN diagram?

If not - then that is the problem since a &quot;pure&quot; import from an odx file that creates a completly new BPMN diagram is not yet supported (will probably in the next SR). 

It might also be a good idea to check the help on Process Modelers roundtrip capabilities.]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Tue, 10 Oct 2006 09:54:54 +0200</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Biztalk Rountripping</title>
      <link>http://www.itp-commerce.com/services/forum/read.php?7,319,320#msg-320</link>
      <author>Support/Info</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Husni,
Could you please upload your BPD (.vsd Visio file)?
Thanks.

]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 20 Sep 2006 21:23:23 +0200</pubDate>
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      <title>Biztalk Rountripping</title>
      <link>http://www.itp-commerce.com/services/forum/read.php?7,319,319#msg-319</link>
      <author>husniroukbi</author>
      <description><![CDATA[I was trying to do a biztalk rountripping with the latest release (SR3). I scuccessfully imported an odx file generated by PM to BTS06. However, I am not able to do the reverse. Everytime I try to import an odx file generated by BTS06 into PM, I get an error message &quot;there is nothing to import&quot;.

Any ideas why I am getting this error message?

thx,

Husni]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 20 Sep 2006 13:06:29 +0200</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: SimpleXML roundtripping</title>
      <link>http://www.itp-commerce.com/services/forum/read.php?7,314,317#msg-317</link>
      <author>Support/Info</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Import of sXML is scheduled for the next PM release.]]></description>
      <category>Roundtrip</category>
      <guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.itp-commerce.com/services/forum/read.php?7,314,317#msg-317</guid>
      <pubDate>Wed, 13 Sep 2006 21:55:51 +0200</pubDate>
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      <title>SimpleXML roundtripping</title>
      <link>http://www.itp-commerce.com/services/forum/read.php?7,314,314#msg-314</link>
      <author>mivsek</author>
      <description><![CDATA[I'm wondering if there is a plan to make an import and therefore round tripping for SimpleXML too? It would be probably easy to do because of more or less 1:1 mapping, much simpler than BPEL, I suppose.

Best regards
Janko]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Sun, 27 Aug 2006 20:31:09 +0200</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: not quite understanding LoanFlowPlus</title>
      <link>http://www.itp-commerce.com/services/forum/read.php?7,311,313#msg-313</link>
      <author>psavolai</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Hi stutz,

I read the document and you're right, it's all in there.

Today I'll try to create a new process from scratch and let's see how
it goes from there.


thanks,

petri.]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Fri, 25 Aug 2006 08:11:53 +0200</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: not quite understanding LoanFlowPlus</title>
      <link>http://www.itp-commerce.com/services/forum/read.php?7,311,312#msg-312</link>
      <author>stutz</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Please refer to the BPMN specification where the mapping from BPMN to BPEL is defined in detail...

1. Assigne statements are generated from the BPMN 'Assignments' Attribute on the Activity. (Make sure to switch to 'Full View' -&gt; top right button in the Attribute Explorer to see all the BPMN Attributes)

2. Switches are generated from XOR Gateways
- each outgoing SequenceFlow will map to a BPEL case and the Expression of the SequenceFlow will map to the 'condition' attribute of the BPEL case
- the default outgoing SequenceFlow will map to a BPEL otherwise


You might be interested to know that Process Modeler 4 SR4 (next Service Release) will in addition to the BPEL export also offer the possibility to import BPEL and therefore provide round tripping!]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Thu, 24 Aug 2006 13:22:25 +0200</pubDate>
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      <title>not quite understanding LoanFlowPlus</title>
      <link>http://www.itp-commerce.com/services/forum/read.php?7,311,311#msg-311</link>
      <author>psavolai</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Hi ,

I have used Oracle BPEL for over a year and I can manage it pretty well.
Now I  have problems understanding the BPMN and BPEL mapping since it is not quite obvious (at least to me)

- I opened your loanFlowPlus and generated BPEL
- Made a new project in JDeveloper and verified the generated BPEL
- everything OK
- went back to BPMN model and tried to understand few things:

1. where did the assign statements surrounding getCreaditRating-call come from ? Where are they defined in the BPMN model ?

2. where in the BPMN model did the contents of the switch-statements come from ?

regards,

Petri Savolainen]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Thu, 24 Aug 2006 12:28:07 +0200</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: XML Export for examples</title>
      <link>http://www.itp-commerce.com/services/forum/read.php?7,254,255#msg-255</link>
      <author>fischli</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Rick,
Find an exam which contains events (Intermediate on the flow and an activity border timer event).
Please note: XPDL 1.0 does not have a definition for events. This means that there is no direct mapping possible. 
We map this events to &quot;route activities&quot;. You will get such a XPDL information message if you validate your diagram  with XPDL Element Validation enabled.

If you will use a process engine such as Carnot (see http://www.carnot.ag) which is able to read in XPDL files there are much more possibilities to map directly for this target environment. Process Modeler can easily be enhanced with a Carnot extension .

]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 05 Apr 2006 21:27:22 +0200</pubDate>
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      <title>XML Export for examples</title>
      <link>http://www.itp-commerce.com/services/forum/read.php?7,254,254#msg-254</link>
      <author>rickwh</author>
      <description><![CDATA[I have a 30 day evaluation.  I'm tring to evaluate the XPDL export using the examples but I always get an error.  Does anyone have an example with events that I can use to see how XPDL export works?

Thanks,
Rick]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 05 Apr 2006 16:39:16 +0200</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Iteration for array variable</title>
      <link>http://www.itp-commerce.com/services/forum/read.php?7,249,250#msg-250</link>
      <author>stutz</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Iteration can be done in setting the LoopType of a Task to 'Standard' and using the TestTime and LoopCondition attirbutes to control the Iteration.

The items of an array variable can be accessed using XPath expressions in Assignments (to pass the single items to a WebService invocation).]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Fri, 24 Feb 2006 09:00:08 +0100</pubDate>
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      <title>Iteration for array variable</title>
      <link>http://www.itp-commerce.com/services/forum/read.php?7,249,249#msg-249</link>
      <author>jjjaime</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Is it possible to iterate through the elements of an array variable (this array is the result of a web service invocation)?. Finally, I have to translate the BPMN process to WS-BPEL so I need this compatibility.
Thanks]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Thu, 23 Feb 2006 17:04:05 +0100</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Process Data Manipulation</title>
      <link>http://www.itp-commerce.com/services/forum/read.php?7,247,248#msg-248</link>
      <author>stutz</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Assignments is an attribute of the Task, that can be found in the Attribute Explorer. Select the Task, go to the 'Assignments' attribute and add a new Assignment with 'Add' (using right click -&gt; context menu)

You might be in User Mode if you don't see this attribute 
-&gt; Click on the  'human head' button on the top right of the Attribute Explorer or in the Toolbar  to switch from/to User Mode.

Best regards
Stephan]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Thu, 23 Feb 2006 09:38:23 +0100</pubDate>
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      <title>Process Data Manipulation</title>
      <link>http://www.itp-commerce.com/services/forum/read.php?7,247,247#msg-247</link>
      <author>jjjaime</author>
      <description><![CDATA[The &quot;Using BPEL with Process Modeler&quot; document has on page 12 a chapter for &quot;Process Data Manipulation&quot;. However, I cannot do anything of this.
For example, on scenario 3 &quot;Passing data to a service operation&quot;, we have to add an assignment to the task's assignment list. But, where is that assignment list?. I cannot find it.
Thanks]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Thu, 23 Feb 2006 09:10:07 +0100</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: BPEL control link</title>
      <link>http://www.itp-commerce.com/services/forum/read.php?7,221,222#msg-222</link>
      <author>stutz</author>
      <description><![CDATA[There is no BPMN equivalent to a BPEL link and therefore the answer is no.

But – BPMN offers different synchronization mechanisms that can be mapped to BPEL: 
Merging AND Gateways can be used to synchronize the flow.
IntermediateEvents in the flow (not on the border of an activity) can be used to wait for another part of the process to complete.]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Fri, 16 Dec 2005 09:06:17 +0100</pubDate>
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      <title>BPEL control link</title>
      <link>http://www.itp-commerce.com/services/forum/read.php?7,221,221#msg-221</link>
      <author>informatorxx</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Can I modelling &quot;BPEL control link&quot; in Process Modeler  2.1 ? How? Thanks]]></description>
      <category>Roundtrip</category>
      <guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.itp-commerce.com/services/forum/read.php?7,221,221#msg-221</guid>
      <pubDate>Thu, 15 Dec 2005 19:44:58 +0100</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Position of elements in XML export</title>
      <link>http://www.itp-commerce.com/services/forum/read.php?7,189,192#msg-192</link>
      <author>sturm</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Janko,

correct! Maybe an insignificant correction to your statement: BPMN element don't have coordinates, it's their visual representations (-&gt;shapes), which have coordinates.

Some element types (Pools, Lanes, DataObjects, Annotations, etc.) might have several representations on different Visio sheets e.g. due to the use of the &quot;Is identical to...&quot; function.

Manfred]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Mon, 25 Jul 2005 14:17:54 +0200</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Position of elements in XML export</title>
      <link>http://www.itp-commerce.com/services/forum/read.php?7,189,191#msg-191</link>
      <author>mivsek</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Hi Manfred,

&gt; I guess this would match your requirements, too?

I guess yes. I'll be happy just with coordinates of center for each element, which you need too, I suppose. 

Best regards
Janko]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Mon, 25 Jul 2005 14:00:54 +0200</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Position of elements in XML export</title>
      <link>http://www.itp-commerce.com/services/forum/read.php?7,189,190#msg-190</link>
      <author>sturm</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Hi Janko,

in the planning for the PM 2.2 core functionality, we are considering the SimpleXML import feature, which requires Visio-related (shape coordinates, sheet information, etc.) to be added to a SimpleXML export file first.

I guess this would match your requirements, too?

Best regards
Manfred]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Mon, 25 Jul 2005 13:45:09 +0200</pubDate>
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